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Old 03-06-2018, 01:48 PM
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My brother and i are planning our first trip south to go after grey fox. He has a 204 and wants to be able to bring them home to tan. What grain and bullet would be the best? Ibe heatd good things about the hornady 45 grain soft point ammo. Thanks in advance
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Old 03-07-2018, 11:24 AM
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I bought a 204 for fox and it hasn’t been fur friendly for me at all. The 40gr vmax hornady’s would put a baseball exit in every one. This year I switched to the 45 gr soft points and took a grey fox double and had just as much damage as the vmax’s. Both shots were close range tho, 30 yards each, both front facing shots. If you have the time, I think it may be beneficial to have someone work you up some handloads that would work better.

I actually decided to use my 204 on coyotes only now, and picked up a 17 WSM for fox


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Old 03-07-2018, 12:30 PM
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Remember that the 204 is designed to be a small rocket with laser trajectory to make red mist out of little varmints with a 32gr pill......heavier bullets in most factory barrels won't stabilize as well and take away accuracy/speed/trajectory...

....that said, play with slowing down the heavier bullets (35/39/40). I've had good success slowing down the 40gr Vmax.....BUT, you lose the trajectory and range.

The 204 to me, is a "cover the bases" type round in predator hunting. I switched to it for fox recently (from 17Hornet) in case a yote strolls into the call.

If I'm hunting strictly Yotes the 204 stays home and the 243 gets the nod.

If I'm strictly hunting fox where there is not likely a chance of Yotes coming in the 17Hornet may get some love....
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Old 03-07-2018, 04:08 PM
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My brother and i are planning our first trip south to go after grey fox. He has a 204 and wants to be able to bring them home to tan. What grain and bullet would be the best? Ibe heatd good things about the hornady 45 grain soft point ammo. Thanks in advance
For the record a 204 will kill a fox or coyote dead as dead can be with the proper bullet and shot placement within a given range. At a range of a 100yds or less one is hard press to find a bullet that wont blow a hole in or out the other side of a delicate fox hide.

For grey fox (which are generally are shot at close range) try keeping shots just off center of the chest when their facing you. Broadside shot, the frags may still have enough energy to blow the other side. The velocity and energy from a 204 45 gr.SP are going to want to blow thru regardless of shot angle. I shot many fox with a 22 mag 40 gr bullet traveling at 1910fps, the round would blow out the other side. Them 45gr SP are over 3600 fps. Your brother might want to consider 24 gr. NTX Its faster but the jacket is design to come apart quicker. You don't need much penetration to get into the vitals. However he will run the risk of blowing a hole on contact. Good luck, let us know how you do.
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Old 03-07-2018, 08:06 PM
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Thanks for the info guys, Night eyes we decided to leave his 204 home because we dont want to chance it. We are mainly going for grey fox because we dont have them in S E Idaho. So if we have to pass on a coyote cause its to far we will.i think since we can get a deal on some marlin 17 hmrs that we will do that for anything 150yds and in with the 20 grain bullets. As for anything out passed that ill have my 17 remington with nagel bullets. Anything coming in closer than 50 will get the 12 ga.
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:31 PM
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I use the 32gr. bitzking on coyotes I don't have problems with big hole, the bullets come apart in side.
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Old 10-24-2018, 04:51 PM
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I personally Love my 204. I load 40grn VMAX over 223 powder and get 3800fps. Most of my fox kills are 50 to 150 yds and have not had an issue with large exit holes, shot placement is the key. Like Ordie said , 204 is designed to shoot flat as hell.
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Old 10-24-2018, 05:13 PM
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Thanks for the info guys, Night eyes we decided to leave his 204 home because we dont want to chance it. We are mainly going for grey fox because we dont have them in S E Idaho. So if we have to pass on a coyote cause its to far we will.i think since we can get a deal on some marlin 17 hmrs that we will do that for anything 150yds and in with the 20 grain bullets. As for anything out passed that ill have my 17 remington with nagel bullets. Anything coming in closer than 50 will get the 12 ga.
How are Nagel bullets?
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:54 AM
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I am no expert on predator hunting but building from my very limited experience I do what has worked. I shot a mangy coyote and happened to have the 17 WSM in my hand when I saw it. 25 grain v-max, maybe 100 yards. Dead before he hit the ground. That yote was in for a tough winter losing fur. Picked it up again and dropped a bobcat at 164 yards (ranged). If the WSM does this, I will not hesitate to use my 204 on a coyote until experience tells me otherwise.

I just went to Africa and all the science says heavy bullets and heavy arrows are the way to go. Dropped 5 big animals. 2 with my 6.5 creedmoor 143 eld-x (considered far too light for the job) one shot one kill. 3 with my 63 lb bow with light fast arrows. Again one shot one kill. The PH actually took pictures of my bow because he said you don't often see passthroughs on african animals and all of mine were complete pass throughs. Low poundage fast bow with light arrows & 100 grain broadhead.

I don't want to get in an argument with someone who is no doubt scientifically correct. I have shot animals with slow heavy arrows and lost them. Since I adopted speed and accuracy they seem to drop within sight. I guess I put more trust in confidence than science.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:48 AM
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spurlucky, Congrats on your hunting success. 1) Dogskinner was going grey fox hunting with his brother back in March and wanted to know ones thought about using a 204 on fox in regards to pelt damage. 2) Someone having confidence in their own ability with a particular weapon is a vital key in their own success. 3) With that said, in my opinion someone that has experienced negative results with a particular caliber should not nock those who have had a positive experience with that caliber. 4) Every bullet manufactured, was designed to preform a certain way upon impact. Can the performance be altered to any degree, yes lol.
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